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Doing Less Is the Secret to Achieving More with Greg McKeown

Oct 22, 2026 · with Greg McKeown

Greg McKeown, author of Essentialism and Effortless, joins George Wright III on why we feel disoriented, the 85% rule, and doing less to achieve more.

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Most productivity advice assumes the problem is that you aren't doing enough. Greg McKeown has built two New York Times bestsellers — *Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less* and *Effortless: Make It Easier to Do What Matters Most* — on the opposite premise. On this episode of The Franklin Planner Podcast, host George Wright III sits down with McKeown for an Author Spotlight conversation about why modern life leaves us feeling seasick, why your calendar app will never save you, and why understanding other people may be the missing skill behind every priority you've ever set and failed to protect.

Greg McKeown on Why We're Disoriented, Not Just Distracted

Ten years ago, when McKeown published *Essentialism*, the villain was distraction. Today, he argues, we've crossed into something different. "We're not distracted anymore, we're disoriented," he told George. The sensation isn't just information overload — it's emotion overload, and the best single word for it is noise.

Trace the word *noise* back to its roots and you land on *nausea*. What people feel is a kind of seasickness: a disconnection from the basic orienting questions of a life. Where am I? Where do I want to be? How do I get there? What's holding me back? When you experience the world through an endless scroll of disconnected video shorts, those questions never get asked, let alone answered.

We need something outside of technology to be able to help us orient again back to what matters most.

Why Technology Was Built on the Wrong Assumptions

If digital tools were supposed to help us focus on what matters most, why are so many people busier than ever and less productive? McKeown's answer goes underneath the apps. Every technology is built on assumptions, and if those assumptions are wrong, every tool built on top of them inherits the flaw.

His example is email. Twenty years into a world consumed by it, you still can't truly prioritize your inbox. The original design was built through the lens of productivity, not prioritization. George added his own version: calendars are designed so you can set it and forget it, when intentional living requires you to think about it on purpose.

McKeown goes further. The device in your pocket isn't a phone — it's closer to a three-trillion-dollar disorienting machine whose owners get paid when you're unsettled. That violent video that shows up in your feed from an account you don't follow? Keeping a user in a state of alarm keeps them watching. "It's not a bug," he said. "It's a feature."

Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less

The alternative to the undisciplined pursuit of more starts with a paradigm shift. Success creates options; options create overwhelm; overwhelm leads to a plateau or an outright collapse. Essentialism, McKeown stresses, "isn't about productivity, it's about prioritization" — not prioritizing now and then, but viewing your whole life through that lens until you don't just *do* essentialism, you become an essentialist.

If You Don't Prioritize Your Life, Someone Else Will

He learned it the hard way. Years ago, a colleague emailed to say that Friday between 1:00 and 2:00 would be a bad time for his wife to have a baby, because he was needed at a client meeting. His daughter was born in the early hours of that Friday — and he still went to the meeting, laptop open, phone on, telling himself that if he could do it all, he could have it all.

It's obvious I made a fool's bargain. I violated something essential for something non-essential.

Confident Misunderstanding: Why Prioritizing Fails Around Other People

After a decade of teaching this material, McKeown reframed the question entirely. The hard part isn't prioritizing — it's living as an essentialist *in a world of people*. The bottleneck isn't talent, strategy, execution, or effort. It's what he calls confident misunderstanding.

He points to a 1990 Stanford experiment by PhD student Elizabeth Newton. Eighty participants were split into tappers and listeners; tappers chose from 25 well-known songs and tapped out the rhythm. Tappers predicted a 50% success rate. The actual result was 2.5% — three out of 120 trials. A 20X gap between expectation and reality. We're confident we're being understood, and we're almost never right. That gap makes shared clarity nearly impossible, and shared clarity is what lets two people make trade-offs together.

The One Conversation Game Worth Learning

We're all playing some communication game already — being right, debating, defending — usually one absorbed in our family of origin and never named. McKeown's move is to announce a new game with a single question: *Would you be open to having a conversation in which the only focus is to understand each other, not to persuade each other?*

The supporting rule comes from Carl Rogers, who in 1952 called it a test-tube solution possibly powerful enough to address the Cold War: you only get to make your point after you've made the other person's point to that person's satisfaction. Rogers called for research; McKeown couldn't find any in 75 years, so he built a Listening Lab to study it. He also notes that Stephen Covey was more influenced by Rogers than anyone — the fifth habit, seek first to understand, is nearly verbatim.

Effortless and the 85% Rule: 10X Results Without Burning Out

McKeown asks audiences two questions. Who wants 10X results in their work and relationships? Every hand goes up. Who can work ten times harder? Nobody. So the only path forward is a different lens, not more effort.

His case study is the race to the South Pole. The British team operated on the belief that maximum effort equals maximum results — sprinting 20, 30, even 50 miles on good days, then collapsing in their tents on bad ones. The Norwegian team had learned sweat management from people who thrived in extreme cold, and turned it into a rule: 15 miles every day, never more. Same brutal weather, steady progress. They reached the Pole more than 20 days ahead — and had enough left to survive the journey home. The British team did not.

Lazy is not being willing to put in effort. Easy is that something doesn't require effort.

The practical translation is the 85% rule: never spend more than 85% today, because you want 85% available tomorrow. McKeown's two vehicles for changing how you see things are reflection — pen, paper, and a protected half hour — and real conversation with people who see the world differently than you do.

Action Steps

Prioritizing alone is necessary but insufficient. It becomes a real life only when you can explain what matters to you, genuinely understand what matters to the people around you, and make the trade-offs together. You don't just manage time. You lead your life.

About the guest

Greg McKeown

Dr Greg McKeown and his wife, Anna, are the proud parents of four children. McKeown is the author of two New York Times bestsellers, “Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less and “Effortless: Make It Easier to Do What Matters Most”, which together have sold 3 million copies and been published in 40 languages and recently released The Essentialism Planner, a 90-day guide to accomplishing more by doing less.

Since it’s publication, Essentialism has become a part of the wider culture. It’s Steve Harvey’s favorite book. Former First Lady of California, Maria Shriver, shares insights from the book at her coveted Sunday luncheons. Even presidential hopefuls have voiced their allegiance to its transformative power. In Brazil, Essentialism has been outselling Harry Potter. In Japan there are a series of graphic novels based on these ideas.

At McKeown’s Essentialism Academy people from over 100 countries take online classes.

Hundreds of thousands receive his 1-Minute Wednesday newsletter.

His podcast has grown into a living conversation with people the world over.

McKeown has become one of the most sought-after public speakers in the world. He has spoken to hundreds of organizations while traveling to more than 45 countries. His clients include Apple, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Nike, X and the Navy SEALs.

He holds a master’s degree from Stanford University and a doctorate from the University of Cambridge, where his research focused on the #1 skill we need now.

Dr Greg McKeown has written two New York Times bestsellers: “Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less,” which has been voted by Goodreads as “The #1 Leadership and Success Book to Read in a Lifetime,” and “Effortless: Make It Easier to Do What Matters Most.” Together, they have been published in 37 languages.

McKeown is one of the most sought-after public speakers globally and has spoken to over 500 companies while traveling to more than 40 countries. His clients include Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Nike.

He hosts The Greg McKeown Podcast, ranked in the Top 5 of all Self Improvement podcasts (out of 11,000) and Top 10 in Educational podcasts (out of 30,000) on Apple Podcasts. Guests have included Harvard professor Arthur Brooks, Matthew McConaughey, Maria Shriver, John Hope Bryant, and Ariana Huffington.

His work has been covered in print media, including The New Yorker, The New York Times, Time, Fast Company, Fortune, Politico, Inc., and Harvard Business Review. It has also been featured on NPR, NBC, FOX, and multiple times on The Steve Harvey Show.

McKeown is an active Social Innovator, serving as a Board Member for Washington D.C. policy group Resolve for 7 years and as a mentor with 2 Seeds, a non-profit incubator for agricultural projects in Africa. He has also spoken at non-profit groups like The Kauffman Fellows, Net Impact, and Stanford University, co-creating the popular class, Designing Life, Essentially.

He is a Young Global Leader for the World Economic Forum, recently moderating a session at the Summer Davos in China titled “Unpacking Social Innovation Models for Maximum Impact” and serving as a panelist at the Sharpening Your Creative Edge working session at the Forum.

Previously, McKeown collaborated in researching and writing “Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter” and worked for Heidrick & Struggles’ Global Leadership Practice, assessing senior executives.

McKeown earned his Masters of Business Administration from Stanford’s Graduate School of Business, completed his Global Leadership and Public Policy certificate at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, and a doctorate from the University of Cambridge.

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